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Aggienaut ([personal profile] aggienaut) wrote2009-11-26 11:25 am

LJ Idol - Thanksgiving

   "The Pilgrims" arrived in North America in December of 1620. What they found in the area they landed was abandoned Indian villages, some with unburied skeletons of the dead lying among the weeds --due to diseases introduced by earlier settlers,-- and a very hostile reception from those Indians still alive. It would seem the last European to come by (one of John Smith's lieutenants, Thomas Hunt) had decided it would be a jolly undertaking to capture some Indians to sell into slavery in Europe, and had gratuitously killed a number of others.
   Thomas Hunt had intended to sell the Indians for £20 a piece in Spain, but apparently some friars in Europe managed to interdict this plan, and one of the indians, known as Squanto, was able to make his way back to North America, and ended up at the Pilgrim's Plymouth Colony as a translater.

   In 1621 the Pilgrims celebrated what is regarded as "the first thanksgiving" in North America (there had already been a long tradition both in the New World and Europe for thanks giving feasts though). They somehow convinced some local Indians to attend.

   In 1622 Indians were again invited to a feast*. Their share of the liquor was poisoned and 200 Indians died. A further fifty were finished off by hand.
   Then pumpkin pie was probably eaten, though I doubt they had whipped cream.**

* Admittedly this occurred in Jamestown, some 600 miles South.

** Yeah I looked up the history of whipped cream, sounds like it would need to be colder than they could probably make it in order to whip properly



I don't usually attend Thanksgiving wearing arms and armour, but then again, I didn't just barely decide not to kill the guests THIS year

   Thankyou for tuning in to another Emo-Snal Classic Historical Downer! ;D
   Notwithstanding, I am looking forward to devouring some turkey/stuffing/pumpkin pie until I go into a food coma.


   And in other news, tomorrow I fly up to Portland for the weekend, check into the tallship Lady Washington on Sunday, and Monday set sail! Will be sailing for at least two weeks. Internet access may be spotty.

[identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com 2009-11-26 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh really? I love these specific little details of stories.

Where did their sugar come from? Sugar beets? Honey? Hmmmm ::tries hard to resist doing more research on this obscure topic::

[identity profile] greyweirdo.livejournal.com 2009-11-26 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Now you've done it. I'll have to go look it up and give you a proper answer.

They were actually low on a lot of things that year, and there are a bunch of things they just plain didn't have. I'll have to check a few things to work out a list what they couldn't make.

Sweetness in the Colonies

[identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com 2009-11-26 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
And you've gone and made me look up the history of sugar. Looks like sugar was already a major export from sugarcane plantations in more equatorial regions at that point, so their sugar would have probably been imported from caribbean plantations.

I don't know if Plymouth Colony specifically had any, but early European colonists also brought over beehives (which the indians called "white man's flies") to produce honey. Honeybees weren't native to the area, but flourished and quickly spread out into the surrounding wilds. Within a short time it was highly profitable just to go out into the forest and harvest "bee trees" in which large hives had been established in hollow trees.

Re: Sweetness in the Colonies

[identity profile] greyweirdo.livejournal.com 2009-11-26 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a short list of things they didn't have...

The source I have (A Good Eats episode of all things) just makes an offhand comment about the pilgrims not having any sugar and not being able to have sweet sauces.

They were also out of butter and flower, so no crusts and no pies.

They did eat lots of eel, cod, lobster and venison though, so that probably made up for the lack of pie in their minds.

Re: Sweetness in the Colonies

[identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com 2009-11-26 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds like they had more of a barbecue then! :D

Hmm lack of butter makes me think they had no cows? I'm sure they tried to bring some, must not have survived. Not terribly surprised about flour, it would have to be imported as they'd only had one harvest under their belt and making flour takes a mill I believe.

[identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com 2009-11-26 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
::contemplates adding a parallel into the entry noting that the attempt to sell indians into slavery in Spain was probably for sugar plantations and then a note towards the end mentioning they were out of sugar:: hrmmmm

The lack of sugar etc was Plymouth in 1621, not Jamestown in 1622 right?