aggienaut: (Pope Kristof)
Aggienaut ([personal profile] aggienaut) wrote2007-02-04 11:51 pm
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Wrestling With God

   So I've decided to try to write about theological issues once a week. I've always been fond of mythology, and no mythological subject is as written about as the stories which make up the abrahamic religions (Judiasm, Christianity, Islam, Mormonism). Additionally, interpretation of what exactly the significance of these ancient texts is similar to interpretation of modern legal documents ... only filled with obscurities and contradictions. Anyway I'm legally a reverend so I ought to do some reverending. (=
   Anyway, YOU should pay attention because the stories I am going to discuss are believed to be true at least in theory by an overwhelming majority of the population. Many apparently only believe in the general gist of it but not any of the specifics, which is a standpoint I find hard to rationalize really (It is the word of God but he didn't really mean it?). Anyway, as always, I will do my best to relate the factual allegations to you without biasing it with my own commentary. Do your own interpreting.


   Anyway, I thought I'd start on an interesting note, The Time Jacob Wrestled God and Won. Interesting. Well I'm not going to actually recount the story, because the best place to read it is here (note the arrows to move forward and backward in the story, I didn't notice them at first myself when I first found the site). You may be skeptical that the story really goes like that, so I welcome you to cross reference the lines in all other versions of the bible. If you're feeling rather skeptical and want some convenient cross-referencing, the Skeptics Annotated Bible puts it all in context from a critical standpoint.

   Other than wrestling God and forcing him to bless him, Jacob had also compelled his older brother to transfer his birthright (which entailed certain holy blessings) to him and later tricked his father into thinking he was his older brother so that he would receive further blessing meant for his older brother.
   Having horded these blessings, Jacob passed them on to his 12 children (from his two wives and their two maidservants), who would go on to become the legendary 12 tribes of Israelites. The various previous and subsequent covenants and commandments God would make to them would be inhereted by all adherents to the Abrahamic Religions (Abraham was his grandfather btw).

Discuss.


   In unrelated news, apparently the superbowl was today. I'm proud to say that I've managed to remain blissfully unaware as to even which teams were involved.

[identity profile] ooorabiesooo.livejournal.com 2007-02-05 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
this site is hilarious

[identity profile] emosnail.livejournal.com 2007-02-05 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
The Brick Testament? I was addicted to it for days until I'd read everything on it. I'd be on my laptop while Kristy and Sashie were watching TV and Kristy would have to be like "KRIS, stop reading the bible!!" (=

[identity profile] mia76.livejournal.com 2007-02-05 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
Is Mormonism the last one to emerge?

Mormons

[identity profile] emosnail.livejournal.com 2007-02-06 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
Actually Baha'i-ism is apparently one of the same family of religions and looks like it began just about a decade after mormonism (1844 versus 1830) . I know nearly nothing about it though.

And incidently it looks like the "mormonism" page on wikipedia was written in a heavily biased manner by Mormons ("...In 1830 Smith published the Book of Mormon and restored the Church of Christ, and the faithful were known amongst themselves as Latter Day Saints...." "...As the result of a revelation in 1838, the name to the Church was officially stated as 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints'..." -- underlining added to highlight wording which presupposes that it is true)

Re: Mormons

[identity profile] mia76.livejournal.com 2007-03-24 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
This whole WIKI thing is making everything biased. LOL.

[identity profile] furzicle.livejournal.com 2007-02-05 01:58 pm (UTC)(link)
re: the superbowl.
At least we scored... a salad from somebody's party.

Proxyzation

[identity profile] emosnail.livejournal.com 2007-02-06 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
Oh those silly mormons. I thought the whole point of baptism was to signify one's opting in to the religion in question... it doesn't seem to me to make much sense in this proxy manner. Jesus certainly wasn't a mormon (nor the prophets before them), has someone proxied for them? It seems to me to have a whole slew of problematic aspects. Maybe I'll look into that for a future entry (though generally I prefer Old Testament issues because they apply fully to all subsequent groups)

[identity profile] ashael.livejournal.com 2007-02-06 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
You forgot the Druze. tsk tsk.