In France!

Sep. 29th, 2017 08:35 pm
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Monday, September 25th, Paris, France - I'm staying in the neighborhood of Argenteuil since my one friend in Paris lives here. While it's currently just an urban suburb of Paris, the name comes from the latin for silver + a celtic word for glade, so I like to picture it having once been beautiful forest glades beside the silvery shimmering surface of the Seine. In ye days of yore it must have been quite far from the ancient city of Paris, as it takes an hour by metro to get to the city center, crossing the Seine twice as it makes its big curves.

   Arrived Monday morning at the Charles de Gaulle airport at the other side of town, took maybe two hours to get to Argenteuil after some mild but not insurmountable confusion trying to figure out the public transit.

   Now, I don't know if I'm just particularly inept at booking things or this happens to everyone, but when booking things online I find often when I change one detail another changes without me noticing, or I click submit, page reloads notifying me there's a missing bit of information I have to fill out, which I do, but don't realize that when it reloaded the page, it reset the month. Twice I've had flights in or out of NY that I had very consciously tried to get out of JFK but it had switched to La Guardia on me (much harder to get to by public transit); once I booked a flight up to see a friend in Washington only to arrive at the airport to find out I had booked it for the wrong month (couldn't reschedule or even get a refund!!). So now when booking flights not only do I very very carefully scrutinize all the details before clicking submit, I always send the details to a friend to have a second pair of eyes confirm I'm not glossing over something myself.
   All this is to say that after lugging my gimpy luggage (one wheel is broken) all across town I finally get to my hotel to find... I had booked it for these dates in October rather than September. The hotel did not currently have any rooms other than for nearly twice as much at €140/night. And to my utter horror my hotels.com confirmation email had the words "Cancellation policy: non-refundable" on it. After all the traveling I've been doing, with reimbursements yet to come in, I'm not feeling exactly flush with cash and losing around $300 over such a stupid little mistake would make me want to hyperventilate a bit, but fortunately the hotel staff was very nice, I talked to the hotels.com people on the phone, they talked to the hotels.com people on the phone, and we got the whole amount refunded.
   But now I had to find a new hotel. After some googling and asking around I ended up at a nearby "Ibis Budget" hotel (€65/night) with a 2.7 stars review average and the gist of the reviews being basically "surely you can cough up a little more money and go somewhere else." The floors were stained and the tiny room reminded me of a hospital room (light lime green walls, does anyone, even those dying in hospital rooms, really want that?) but it wasn't THAT bad really.
   The next morning (Tuesday) my friend Chantal met up with me. She being a native French speaker and actual former professional hotel booker (that's what she did in the airport in Cote D'Ivoire when/where I met her, while I was stuck in the Cote D'Ivoirian airport for three days of airport hell) we were now able to call hotels for more efficient investigation.
   As it turns out, the "hotel" just beside the cute little restaurant I had discovered turned out to have a decent room for €40 a night. It's maybe not quite 5 stars but it's bigger, better, and cheaper than the Ibis Budget had been. I say "hotel" in quotations because it appears to just be a number of rooms upstairs in this building, which seems to be a standard thing, with locals during our hotel search referring to any hotel that was a dedicated hotel building as a "hôtel moderne" vs the many little "traditionnel" hotels.

   Now, I went to Versailles and the Louvre and I'll get to that in a minute, but I think the cute little restaurant beside my hotel was my favorite thing in France. It was just a cute little place with one three course set menu every day -- for €13, an appetizer, main, dessert, and a _carafe_ of wine! I remember last time I was in France I encountered the single set menu thing as well, I think its cute. The place seemed to be mostly frequented by locals, and it sometimes took two of the employees working together, combining their meager English and my meager French, to get my order across but they seemed not the least bit bothered by this. After eating the first day I discovered they don't accept cards and I didn't have any Euro cash yet ... but the (manager?), Hamid, said "you'll be here a few more days? pay tomorrow, not a problem!"
   On my last evening I came in around 8:30 in the evening, I asked Hamid, who appeared to be off duty but hanging out there, if they served dinner, he communicated that they did not but after I asked if anywhere else nearby might be serving dinner he thought about it, seemed to conclude there wasn't, and was asked me if I'd like some beouf et pomme frites, and then he scampered off to fire up the kitchen and ended up bringing me the whole three course meal, wine carafe and all, for the same €13!
   In Australia for that price (19.58 Roo Bucks equivalent) you could get maybe the wine carafe.
   And in general, this little restaurant being just beside my hotel and the staff all being super friendly it was just a joy every time to pop in and see them.

Tuesday, September 26th - After getting my hotel sorted out Chantal and I proceeded to Versailles (about an hour away, it seems like through something like relativistic physics everything is an hour from everything else via the metro system). There was a huge line to get in. Once inside it was pretty cool though. There's plenty of writing about Versailles around so I'm not going to spend time on a detailed description of it here. Sadly after having spent the morning chasing after a hotel we were getting too tired and hungry to really explore the extremely extensive palace gardens, I suppose I'll have to go back.



Wednesday, September 27th - Went to the Louvre (by myself, Chantal unfortunately had her first day of classes for the semester in a local uni). About an hour on metro. Fairly long line at the main glass pyramid entrance (though it was just after opening at 9am on a random dreary weekday in September so it wasn't as long as it could be I think), but I didn't even bother with that as I'd gotten a pro-tip from the internets that there was a secret underground entrance with no line. Verily, I found said entrance and there was no line (pro tip, when visiting the louvre, find the secret underground entrance ;) ).
   Previously I didn't actually know what the Louvre was other than a big museum, presumably underground. It turns out it's in another former palace, mostly aboveground, and parts of the original medieval fortress can be seen belowground, who knew!

   They always say it takes days to see the Louvre, and, keeping this in mind, I maintained a pretty fast clip throughout and avoided me usual reading of most every description (avoiding the temptation was aided by the fact that many of them were only in French). I'm not sure but I think I managed to see all the major areas, though in the end I found myself in a hall of rugs and feeling delirious and hungry I may not have seen all the rugs.
   Part of the problem though is that it's not really a museum that has a single logical path through it but you have to kind of backtrack and and circle back through areas to get to places you may have passed the first time through.
   Saw the Mona Lisa, sort of ... this was as close as I got. Saw the Venus de Milo behind a forest of selfie sticks, and a lot of less famous stuff, like this cool grave-related thing (sits on top of a grave or sarcophagus?). A hall of statues, three muses, a centaur and stuff.

   After becoming deliriously hungry I finally stumbled out to go find food (there's cafes inside but they all looked extremely unsatisfying and overpriced). At this point I was feeling too hungry to even make a decision about food but I wanted to eat at one of the cute sidewalk cafes Paris is known for. Ordered a "confit de canard" or some such, precisely because it seemed very French. Thats duck confit but I don't know what confit is still. It was alright but not really amazing.
   Then I just wandered down to the cathedral of Notre Dame on its wee little island in the Seine. I found the scenery and architecture very beautiful in this area, and there were some quieter cuter sidewalk cafes here I rather wished I'd held out for instead of stumbling into the first one I came to outside of the Louvre, but as mentioned, was deliriously hungry at that point. Reflected that though I wasn't quite sure I wanted to like Paris since it seems a bit over-romanticized in the world's collective imagination, this area is indeed quite charming and beautiful. And on the subject of collective impressions, I've seen no evidence of the "french people are rude" stereotype, as mentioned the people at the restaurant by my hotel were super nice, as was the woman at the booked out hotel, and during my previous visit while in rural france the hotel manager drove me to the train station since no taxis were to be found, altogether my experience has been of exceptional nice-ness in France.

   Obligatory picture of Notre Dame Cathedral


Thursday, September 28th - Departed via the Orly airport south of the city. I still haven't seen the Eiffel Tower up close (did see it at a distance, it sure looms over the city!), also I really wanted to see the catacombs. Next time!

   Am now in Turkey for the beekeeping conference. More on that of course in another entry!

Date: 2017-09-29 11:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] iddewes
Have to say, your photos make me really glad I first went to the Louvre when I was living in Paris in 1988, when there were a lot fewer tourists than now...

Date: 2017-09-29 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Yeah and this isn't even the height of tourist season! I can only imagine!

Date: 2017-09-29 02:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] iddewes
And way back then it actually used to be free admission on Sundays and that's when I would go! ;) I am glad people do have more freedom now but it was a bit easier when people from some countries just didn't travel ;)

Date: 2017-12-02 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
I think it's still free on something like the first tuesday of the month or something. Must be a madhouse on free days though!

Date: 2017-09-29 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] picadelphon.livejournal.com
Wow your so lucky you can stand the BS in Airport's, with me I just can not take the BS abuse I feel in the airports make it this way just to rip me off, or Piss me off..-sigh-

I have a weird Question, Next time your hungry, Can you try to order a Turkey Sandwich in Turkey ..? My tummy wants to know..

Date: 2017-09-29 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Yeah I like to travel but the process of actually checking into airports always stresses me out! As does booking things! This time was really shenanigans since I had to separately book (1) my flight to France; (2) my flights from Paris to Istanbul and back; (3) my hotel in Paris; (4) my flight back from Paris to Australia. ugh.

Date: 2017-09-29 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Lol about the turkey sandwich!

Date: 2017-09-29 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wantedonvoyage.livejournal.com
It's not just you, I've done it as well. I booked a hotel off by a day and the worst part was it was my friends who got there first, late at night with their child after traveling all day, and were told the reservation didn't start til the next evening.

I also like places like that restaurant. If they are making one meal at a time, you can be fairly safe in assuming it will be good.

Oh and regarding the rudeness, I encountered a little attitude a few times (certainly no more than any other big city, though). I had a particularly hilarious exchange with a woman at Chambord.

Me: "The staircase is really impressive. How many steps are there?"

Her: *martyred sigh* "I don't know"

Me: "Really? That seems like something visitors would ask often."

Her: *giant exaggerated eyeroll" "Is typical American question."

And I was thinking, Yeah, and you work in a gift shop; waiting on Americans is your job. but I kept that to myself rather than perpetuate a stereotype of my own.

On the flip I had a delightful exchange with another gift shop employee, in the Louvre coincidentally, where the language barrier had us both in hysterics. She was trying to tell me that one in a series of four souvenir plates bearing the image of le petit prince had been broken and thus the set had been marked down, and I just wasn't getting it. I think she finally ended up drawing a cartoon. But she was endlessly patient, that made my day, and she made a sale!
Edited Date: 2017-09-29 12:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-09-29 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Lol!! I wish I could see the cartoon! That's funny!

I always try to make any inquiry in french first. Apparently I speak French well enough that that can both understand the question and understand that they should defniitely respond in English lol. But I've heard and it seems plausible that more rudeness comes out when tourists make no effort to speak French.

Date: 2017-09-29 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wantedonvoyage.livejournal.com
I wish I had saved it. This was pre-cell-phones or I would have probably taken a picture of it. But then, in an age of cell phones, she probably would have typed her explanation into Google Translate and the moment would have been lost.

I totally agree... it is presumptuous to assume everyone does or should speak English just because we do. In the Louvre case, the concept was just a little bit too advanced for either of our shared vocabulary, and thus hilarity ensued.

Date: 2017-12-02 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
I always find sometimes you can understand someone perfectly without a shared language. In my beekeeping training I'll often encounter a farmer I feel like I get along with really well even though we can't talk directly

Date: 2017-09-29 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selucius.livejournal.com
That's it in a nutshell, and it probably applies to anywhere. Make the slightest attempt to assimilate to the local culture and people are more willing to be nice.

I think duck confit is liver.

Date: 2017-09-29 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellinou.livejournal.com
I can confirm that the cafés in the Louvre are unsatisfying and overpriced. The gardens at Versailles are definitely worth it thought so do go back if you get the chance!

And French people in general aren't rude, it's specifically Parisians who are. You must have been lucky, because they really are. I often get rude stares just because I speak with an English accent, even though I'm fluent in French!

Date: 2017-12-02 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Oh wow!

Yeah definitely hope to go back! (:

Date: 2017-09-29 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mexpatriot.livejournal.com
Confit is cooking the meat slowly at low temperature in it's own rendered fat as a means of preservation. I really like when potatoes are cooked this way in duck or goose fat.

I like your restaurant. In Mexico, that set menu is called comida corrida or men ejecutivo. Lots of office workers eat that. Though the cost is usually around $3US, it never includes a carafe of wine.

I was bummed out by the crowds at the Louvre. It made me think of pigs slopping at the trough. This was in the 90s, but people still had to have their pictures in front of famous things. It pretty much put me off museums.

I like the area around Notre Dame, too. The smaller island to the south east, Ile Saint-Louis had these great cafe/restaurants where they brought baskets of sausages and cheeses to the table...and bread and wine.

I thought Paris was really expensive, but Australia looks crazy in comparison. Living in Mexico, most places are expensive to me.

Date: 2017-12-02 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Haha I'd imagine things are cheaper in Mexico. I've only ever been just south of the US border. I really want to make a roadtrip down Baja some time.

Date: 2017-12-04 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mexpatriot.livejournal.com
Baja California is another world from here or most of Mexico. It's only accessible by boat, plane, or a little stretch of land far in the north. I've never been there. My Mexican wife has never been there. A Japanese patient of mine likes it. She says, "So many American!" My wife has also never been farther north than Zacatecas. Apparently, there is a lot of crime in Baja now.

Date: 2017-12-04 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Ew gross, I don't want to go to the part of Mexico thats full of Americans! What if I drive down the mainland side of the Sea of Cortez?

Date: 2017-12-06 05:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mexpatriot.livejournal.com
I know what you mean. I avoid Americans here. But I would like to see Baja.

You can do that trip, but it takes you through Sinaloa. Sinaloa is a rough state. I can't comment from experience. I want to go there myself. My brother-in-law, a "human rights" lawyer, says that the people there are violent. I'm like, "As opposed to your regular Mexican?" I call BS.

I've worked in a community mental health clinic in the worst part of Mexico City for nearly 10 years. I've never had any real problems. Though, Mexican workers have been robbed, etc.

Date: 2017-12-11 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Well I'd like to travel deep into Mexico by any route really, I'm also concerned I've heard scary stories about police pulling over americans for no reason but not letting them go on their way until a hefty bribe is given? :-/

Date: 2017-12-14 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mexpatriot.livejournal.com
Could be. I dunno. I've heard of bribes being extracted when crimes have been committed, en lieu of process. That's the norm. Saves a lot of time and bureaucracy nonsense. This is one of the reasons that the possession of small amounts of all drugs was decriminalized in the Federal District.

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Date: 2017-09-29 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bearshorty.livejournal.com

I've been to Paris when I was studying abroad in London in college and went to Paris for the long weekend. I really liked just walking around the streets, especially in the Latin quarter.  It is very charming. And the bread and croissants were especially delicious.


We lucked out and came when the museums were free on the first Sunday of the month, so there wasn't a line at the Louvre, but it was certainly crowded. I ended up liking Musee D'Orsay more.


I did travel to Versailles but it was a Monday and the palace itself was closed. But I could wander around the gardens which were impressive. So if I'm ever in France again I want to check out the palace.

Date: 2017-12-02 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Haha you did the opposite of me! Palace is really cool. I was surprised by how huuuge the gardens are! Can you walk around the whole garden area I forget?

Date: 2017-09-29 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suzanna-o.livejournal.com
I enjoyed the Paris travelogue. Safe travels!

Date: 2017-12-02 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Thanks! (:

Date: 2017-09-29 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] newwaytowrite.livejournal.com
I am thinking you will have very little trouble finding great food in Istanbul.

Date: 2017-12-02 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Actually since I was in kind of a touristy area I found it a bit hard to get away from the same several kebab options in every restaurant. Finally found a place to get pide (Turkish pizza) but my goal of finding manti (turkish ravioli) was thwarted

Date: 2017-09-30 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenine2.livejournal.com
I really enjoyed your Paris stories. If I ever go I will ask you where your room was with the restaurant next door.

The Mona Lisa photo was hilarious. I'm sorry you couldn't get closer, but it's hard to be reverent when there are eight thousand boorish tourists milling about.

Looking forward to the next post!

Date: 2017-12-02 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Yeah even though it was kind of off the beaten path if I go back I think I will try to find the same place!
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Date: 2017-10-02 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skimmed-miilk.livejournal.com
You definitely have to go back for the Catacombs...creepy as! I love Paris, I think it's one of the few places that deserves its hype, so this was a joy to read.

Glad you got the hotel mix up sorted, that's a huge fear of mine and I can become paralysed in the details before hitting submit on a booking.

Date: 2017-12-02 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Definitely want to see the catacombs!!!

Date: 2017-10-09 04:27 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-10-09 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Thanks (:

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