I, Brobot

May. 16th, 2018 07:34 pm
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   The big tech news last week was that the new google AI can call in a reservation for you and sound exactly like a human, complete with "umms" and pauses as if indecisive. And apparently people thought this was creepy, though I don't really see what is creepy about that. Not the mere fact that one can talk to a computer and not realize one is doing so anyway, but the larger ramifications of what the people behind the technology are going to inevitably do with it.

   The kind of companies that have a use for telemarketers are no doubt already slavering to fire their telemarketers en masse to replace them with an AI phone voice seemlessly connected to google analytics. Instead of receiving a phone call from someone in Calcutta with an obvious Indian accent who might at best be awkwardly trying to read your weather report off a screen to make conversation with you, you will receive a phone call from the voice and accent google has determined you find most charming, maybe with the same name as your old best friend in high school, after all google knows all this. If you're the contact for any kind of group maybe it will call under the guise of a person interested in that. Amid dropping references to a mutual interest in your favorite team and just enough other favorite things of yours to be just shy of creepy, as determined by algorithm, this caller will maybe mention the great new telecom plan it's on and hey you really should get on it too! After an hour, maybe two, after all it doesn't have to pay for its own time, you will finally get off the phone with what you think is your new best friend or maybe even love interest, (heck if they can get you to call back later maybe they can sell you something else), and you won't even have realized what a terrible new phone plan you've just signed up for.

   Optimistic sci fi of the mid 20th century envisioned a rather optimistic future where robots have replaced much human manual or repetitive labor to make everyone's lives better. Instead we find people in terror of their labor being taken by robots, and moreover, the robots are mining US to extract our money. Not physically mirrouring our likeness but mirroring our personalities. There won't be any "three laws of robotics," just the one, "profit for the owners above all things."

   What concerns me about this isn't the mere fact that it can annihilate the "turing test," and be indistinguishable from a human, but that (A) since they don't have to pay anyone to make the calls it'll probably happen even more than current telemarketers do, and (B) one will become deeply distrustful of anyone calling on the phone one doesn't already know.

   Someone needs to write about a dystopian future where AI is exploiting everyone as much as it can for the benefit of a miniscule elite cabal that owns everything. It can be called I, Brobot


And Now A Mostly Unrelated Image!

Just because I believe no entry should have no image, here's an image of a more whimsical dystopia, by the amazing Jakub Rozalski

Date: 2018-05-16 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ravena-kade.livejournal.com

I don’t pick up my phone anymore unless it is my sister or my uncle. I get 20 robot calls a day now.

Date: 2018-05-16 07:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
What I get a lot of calls for, must be big money here for some reason, is people calling to talk me into "saving on [my] electrical bill!" the first time I actually talked to them until they wanted me to give them the number on my meter which sounded fishy so I hung up and did some googling, and I guess it's not actually a scam and there's no danger in giving them the meter number, but still I get so tired of these calls. They always have a thick indian accent but are polite and cheerfully tell me they'd like to help me save on my electric bill, and what I've come to do is just politely say "I am hanging up now" and then hang up.

The other thing that happens here is when people are calling for an actual purpose, but I've never met them before they say "hi this is peter!" or "hi this is susan!" and pause and I don't know what I'm supposed to say but I'm always like "...........yes?" because I'm like WTF I don't know you, do I? And I don't but that's just how people introduce themselves on the phone here (as opposed to "Hi this is Peter with the Department of Agriculture" or "Hi my name is Susan and I'm calling from" as would be expected in the states)

Date: 2018-05-16 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wpadmirer.livejournal.com
I solve that by simply not answering my phone. (grin)

Date: 2018-05-19 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Haha that always works! And then I don't bother to listen to my voicemail for months either and then a friend tells me how hard I am to get ahold of ahaha.

Date: 2018-05-16 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryl.livejournal.com
I'd like to see how that AI handles terrible cell reception. That's the true Turing test, if it can decipher what someone's saying when they're cutting in and out.

Date: 2018-05-19 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Hahaha "hello hello?" unrelated, I wonder if it would laugh at a joke. The demonstration call was pretty straightforward but I really wonder how it would handle an off topic comment. Eventually it'll be able to handle all of that but I wonder how it currently would

Cool

Date: 2018-05-16 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amethyst-witch.livejournal.com
What a weird picture o_O

Date: 2018-05-19 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
He has so many really cool pictures!!

Date: 2018-05-19 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amethyst-witch.livejournal.com
Oh I love this one, too!! :D

Date: 2018-05-19 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
So many good ones! I spent more than an hour perusing his portfolio to find the one to post. I think I'm gonna cram at least one more into my next entry (:

Date: 2018-05-19 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amethyst-witch.livejournal.com
Oooh...especially love the colours in this one.

I look forward to it!
:)

Date: 2018-05-19 11:22 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-05-16 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitzune.livejournal.com
I never answer the phone unless I know who is calling - problem solved.

Date: 2018-05-19 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Haha my problem is I am always neglecting to put people in my phone so it's always just a number! :X

Date: 2018-05-19 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitzune.livejournal.com
Time to start remembering people's numbers then ;)
I recognize the numbers that are important to me, and I'm horrible with numbers and remembering.

Date: 2018-05-19 10:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Yeah I really try to add people to my contact list. There's no reason not to. I think I had an easier time recognizing US numbers. Even after being here two years my brain can't isolate the patterns in a phone number here enough to recognize it again.

Date: 2018-05-16 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kristy.livejournal.com

My caller I.D. has this feature that if it's a possible robot call, it'll display *scam likely* though I only answer for those I know.

Date: 2018-05-19 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
oh neat!

I do know that if you hear an awkward pause as soon as you answer to hang up immediately, since the way teh telemarketers work is a robot calls numbers and when you answer it connects you to the telemarketer so you hang up in that moment

Date: 2018-05-16 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] newwaytowrite.livejournal.com

Normally we have the ringer on the phone turned off. It was turned on yesterday in hopes of getting a response to our phone calls securing firewood for the next season.

Sadly after we got a return call yesterday we forgot to turn the ringer off again. As a result this was a phone call that came in today.

Me: Hello.

A bunch of dead air, followed by noise and then

Person: unintelligible then blather of no real sentence structure. Something about his name being Sam*, asked how I was doing and about the Windows computer in my home .

Me: Why would I have a Windows computer as they are pile of junk?

At this point I hung up.

* strangely enough I had some one identify themselves in a call a week ago looking to sell my home in six months going by the name Sam.

Date: 2018-05-19 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Lol weird.

Kiiind of reminds me I bought a laundry machine from a guy in town here, who seemed to be home on disability, I think he may have been on disibility all his life. Not that people with mental disibilities deserve anything other than our sympathy but... I suspect he may have been drunk at the time (around middle of the day) and for the next few weeks he would call me randomly "just to talk" but it was always a really rambling tirade sometimes circling back to "fags" and often suggesting I should make a hair product with beeswax for some reason. He thought it would sell really well. You know, "especially to fags ... not that I'm a fag" it was really annoying because usually I was at work or once he did it the moment I had pulled up in front of a friends house and tehy were outside to greet me and I couldn't even get a word in edgewise to tell him hey I cant' talk now. I never did put his name in my phone though I should have just to know not to answer it. Another time I was about to buy something else in town that I'd seen advertised on a bulletin board and as soon as my phone autocompleted the number I was like "oh fuck its him" (I think his only occupation is buying and selling random shit) and quickly aborted :X

Date: 2018-05-16 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aerodrome1.livejournal.com
I love the Rozalski image!

Date: 2018-05-19 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
I love so much of his work!!

I had come across it before, and when I didn't have a photo of my own to go with the entry I remembered his awesome steampunk and looked him up. Found his portfolio which kept me mesmerized for more than an hour

In addition to mechs roaming around in the 1920s he also does a lot of cool spook medieval werewolf stuff:


(or in this case a possible werewolf (according to his commentary I think that knight in the foreground is a werewolf?) and a giant)
Edited Date: 2018-05-19 03:48 am (UTC)

Date: 2018-05-16 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wantedonvoyage.livejournal.com

NPR did a hilarious bit a few years ago where the radio personality flirted with those conversant phone systems and got them all flustered. If this happens I think the more sophisticated “victims” will have a lot of fun with them.

In the meantime add me to the list of people who doesn’t answer the phone if I don’t recognize the number. They have already figured out they can fool you into picking up by spoofing a number on your same NPA-NXX to make you think it’s a co worker.

Date: 2018-05-17 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenine2.livejournal.com
(Sorry I accidentally replied to your comment.)

Date: 2018-05-17 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wantedonvoyage.livejournal.com
LOL I was wondering which picture you meant.

Date: 2018-05-19 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
On tinder, it seems to not happen as much any more but there used to be a lot of bots, and they really cleverly had orchestrated the first several responses to fit almost whatever you said, though if you didn't stick to the most obvious responses it quickly got a bit silly and out of sync. And I actually rather enjoyed having really nonsensical "conversations" with them even though I'm sure no one was reading on the other end

Date: 2018-05-17 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenine2.livejournal.com
1. I think this will make people just stop answering from numbers that aren't in their contacts.
2. That is an awesome picture!

Date: 2018-05-19 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
I love this guy's work!!


Edited Date: 2018-05-19 03:53 am (UTC)

Date: 2018-05-18 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loveshanny.livejournal.com
I saw that video on the Google AI. I'm not sure how I feel about it. I do think that it will cause a lot of people to loose their jobs who have a position for calling people soley like telemarketers. I don't like the fact that I might not know if I'm talking to a computer. Also add me to the list of I don't answer the phone either unless I know the call.

Even a couple days ago I got a call from a girl I used to work with like 5 years ago. I saw the name and honestly I couldn't think who it was till after the phone had stopped ringing. I waited for a voicemail to pop up. No Voicemail, so I'm not calling her back. It might not even be her phone number anymore or someone got her phone. If it was really her why not leave a voicemail? I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to stuff like that but I don't want to fall for some scam just because I had their number in my contacts even.

This is the same concept on why i don't go to the self-serve checkout line. When company's got the self serve check out lines they didn't have to hire as many people so people did loose their jobs.

Advancement in technology has it's good points and has it's bad points. Haven't we all seen enough dystonia movies to realize that in the end we humans loose? You would think we would be careful with what we dabble in when it comes to AI.

Date: 2018-05-18 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
This is all well and true, but the philosopher in me can't help but step back and say isn't it silly that because we're so set in our ways we must fear labor saving technological advances and cling jealously to our labors? I don't know what the answer is, and I've never particularly been an anti-capitalist, but it seems to me if much labor can be eliminated with robots at some point we may need to think of a way to radicially chance how society works. :-/

Date: 2018-06-30 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pundigrion.livejournal.com
I am really enjoying these paintings! And the additional ones in the comments given that I have not time to look up silly things like I normally do. Man I used to love me some http://www.darkroastedblend.com/

I have been having fun collecting some of the sillier spambot entries in the new user registrations in a place I mod. They have very entertaining hobbies like caustic soda and magnetic dry erase boards.

Date: 2019-01-21 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Haha uhoh this looks like a bottomless pit of interesting things!

I've always really liked armored trains so this one was particularly interesting: http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2013/05/awesome-armoured-trains-and-rail.html

Date: 2019-01-22 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pundigrion.livejournal.com
Yeah I fell into a pit of pleasurable procrastinating just linking that to you and then again when I checked out the latest Link Latte. (Always loved those!)

I am now happily reading through: https://mymodernmet.com/travelers-notebook-jose-naranja/

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